Exactly. That is why they are entering very dangerous territory to me, get the elderly on their own and brainwash them once they are isolated from the group. But nobody else seems to care. Please see the letter I wrote on page 2 if you want to act, but thanks for acknowledging my concern anyway.
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watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes
by friendaroonie inits been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.
i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.
i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.
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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.
by booker-t ini recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.
i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.
she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.
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@Focus.. I'm an atheist myself, as you would know if you had bothered to read even the last page of that thread. Feel free to add your thoughts to it, the theists seem to have given up.. It's incredible how many people take one look at my moniker and lump me in with believers. The question of animal suffering is what led me to atheism.
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watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes
by friendaroonie inits been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.
i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.
i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.
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This is the instructions from the KM, minus the scriptures and the 'encouraging results' crapola at the end. I've typed it all out on a phone, I hope somebody finds this interesting..
1 Although elderly can be forgetful and immobile, we still need to reach them (approx.)
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2 Getting started: Usually a list of nursing-care facilities can be compiled by searching the local telephone directory. Check categories such as "nursing homes", "group homes" and "residential-care" facilities. The service overseer can take the lead in arranging for qualified publishers to visit each facility. With good planning and reliance on Jehovah, it is often possible to start a group Bible study.
3 The manner in which the study is introduced depends on the type of facility. In large facilities with many residents and staff members, it is best to approach the receptionist and ask to speak to the director of activities. In small group homes for seniors-homes with a few residents and two or three caregivers- it may be best to schedule a time to speak directly with the owner of the home.
4 In either situation, explain that you are volunteering your time to encourage individuals who enjoy reading and discussing Bible accounts. Ask if there are any residents who might like to participate in a group Bible discussion for about 30 minutes a week. A variety of publications can be used, but many find that My Book of Bible Stories and The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived are well received. You may wish to show the publications to the director. The day, time and meeting room location can be worked out with him or her and will typically be posted on an activities calendar in the nursing home. Do not shy away from identifying yourself as one of Jehovahs Witnesses. At the same time, help the director to understand that you would not be coming to conduct a religious service but, rather, to promote Bible education.
5 Conducting the Study: How you conduct the study depends on the circumstances and environment at the facility, so be flexible and discerning. The conductor should bring several copies of the publication being considered and should collect them at the end of the study. It may be necessary to bring enlarged copies of the material for some. Paragraphs canbe read, questions can be asked, and responses can be given in our usual manner. Those willing and capable may be invited to read the paragraphs or Bible passages. During the study, be engaging, positive and friendly. With the permission of the director, you can occasionally show one of the organisations videos that builds faith in the Bible or highlights lessons from a particular Bible account. It may be possible to open and close the study with a simple prayer. Some publishers have even introduced Kingdom songs.
6 What if a resident objects to something that is read or stated during the study? Use discernment when you reply. Perhaps you can share a brief Bible text that clearly addresses his concern. If it is not practical for you to do so, then it would be best to acknowledge his comment and offer to consider the matter with him seperately after the study.
7 On occasion a resident may ask a question or express a desire to learn more. One sister uses this approach: "That's a very good question. But since that is your personal question, let's wait until the end of our reading. Then you and I can discuss it together." It is often possible to arrange to conduct a personal Bible study with interested ones at another time and in a different setting.
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The rest basically says how to count time, and to be commited, friendly, remember their names, show kindness and respect to staff and family. Explain the purpose of the study to them. Reassure them of your sincere interest in their family member. Invite them to sit in and listen to the study.
The bullet points at the end say:
.Check in with the receptionist and director of activities when you arrive for the session.
.Bring enough copies of the publication for the group. Collect them following the study.
.Be relaxed, friendly and outgoing. Remember the residents names.
.Read and discuss one paragraph at a time.
.Use short questions. Warmly commend all for their comments.
.Defer doctrinal or controversial questions to a time and setting where they can be considered privately with the inquirer.
.Answer questions from family and staff in a simple and direct manner.
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Protect the elderly
by defender of truth inthis weeks km is telling elders to arrange for group studies with people in local nursing homes, with instructions on how to word things when speaking to the directors etc.. they are clearly trying to get to people who may not be entirely able to think for themselves or who may lack critical thinking and yet may have money to leave to them.. what can you do?.
well, if you wanted to, write a short and simple letter or email to your local care home, perhaps directly even speak to the director yourself... warn them about the brainwashing and danger of breaking up of families etc.
the km says they should identify themselves as jw's... .
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This is the instructions from the KM, minus the scriptures and the 'encouraging results' crapola at the end. I've typed it all out on a phone, I hope somebody finds this interesting..
1 Although elderly can be forgetful and immobile, we still need to reach them (approx.)
Now word for word..
2 Getting started: Usually a list of nursing-care facilities can be compiled by searching the local telephone directory. Check categories such as "nursing homes", "group homes" and "residential-care" facilities. The service overseer can take the lead in arranging for qualified publishers to visit each facility. With good planning and reliance on Jehovah, it is often possible to start a group Bible study.
3 The manner in which the study is introduced depends on the type of facility. In large facilities with many residents and staff members, it is best to approach the receptionist and ask to speak to the director of activities. In small group homes for seniors-homes with a few residents and two or three caregivers- it may be best to schedule a time to speak directly with the owner of the home.
4 In either situation, explain that you arevolunteering your time to encourage individuals who enjoy reading and discussing Bible accounts. Ask if there are any residents who might like to participate in a group Bible discussion for about 30 minutes a week. A variety of publications can be used, but many find that My Book of Bible Stories and The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived are well received. You may wish to show the publications to the director. The day, time and meeting room location can be worked out with him or her and will typically be posted on an activities calendar in the nursing home. Do not shy away from identifying yourself as one of Jehovahs Witnesses. At the same time, help the director to understand that you would not be coming to conduct a religious service but, rather, to promote Bible education.
5 Conducting the Study: How you conduct the study depends on the circumstances and environment at the facility, so be flexible and discerning. The conductor should bring several copies of the publication being considered and should collect them at the end of the study. It may be necessary to bring enlarged copies of the material for some. Paragraphs canbe read, questions can be asked, and responses can be given in our usual manner. Those willing and capable may be invited to read the paragraphs or Bible passages. During the study, be engaging, positive and friendly. With the permission of the director, you can occasionally show one of the organisations videos that builds faith in the Bible or highlights lessons from a particular Bible account. It may be possible to open and close the study with a simple prayer. Some publishers have even introduced Kingdom songs.
6 What if a resident objects to something that is read or stated during the study? Use discernment when you reply. Perhaps you can share a brief Bible text that clearly addresses his concern. If it is not practical for you to do so, then it would be best to acknowledge his comment and offer to consider the matter with him seperately after the study.
7 On occasion a resident may ask a question or express a desire to learn more. One sister uses this approach: "That's a very good question. But since that is your personal question, let's wait until the end of our reading. Then you and I can discuss it together." It is often possible to arrange to conduct a personal Bible study with interested ones at another time and in a different setting.
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The rest basically says how to count time, and to be commited, friendly, remember their names, show kindness and respect to staff and family. Explain the purpose of the study to them. Reassure them of your sincere interest in their family member. Invite them to sit in and listen to the study.
The bullet points at the end say:
.Check in with the receptionist and director of activities when you arrive for the session.
.Bring enough copies of the publication for the group. Collect them following the study.
.Be relaxed, friendly and outgoing. Remember the residents names.
.Read and discuss one paragraph at a time.
.Use short questions. Warmly commend all for their comments.
.Defer doctrinal or controversial questionsto a time and setting where they can be considered privately with the inquirer.
.Answer questions from family and staff simply and directly.
.Take advantage of opportunities to start Bible studies with residents, relatives, and staff.
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Victim of Jehovah's Witnesses child abuse. See the petition
by Watchtower-Free inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfmrg2urrk.
she forced a stick down my throat and made me eat my own vomit': daughter abused by adoptive mother for 20 years tells of torture and fears over her imminent release from prisonvictoria evans was tortured by her adoptive mother eunice spryshe was starved for three months at a time and violently abused.
forced to live in a wheelchair for four years .
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Band on the Run, here is some evidence for you (pictures too). Do a little research in future before casting doubt on a story's validity.
"For the first time in her life, the teenager met people who not only cared for her, but noticed the horrific bruises and strangulation marks she was unable to hide under thick clothes.
Spry came under question from the group, but blamed the injuries on an older step child, telling Victoria to do the same.
But eventually the lies became too much, and the teenager broke down, telling everything to a young couple in the group who smuggled her out the house just before Christmas 2004.
It took three weeks to build up the courage to tell the police, but brave Victoria eventually outlined the darkest details of the years of abuse.
“I was there the longest, I was there from when I was a little baby,” she said. “She was all I knew, and like the others, despite it all, I still felt loyal to her.” Spry – who to his day still denies any abuse – was arrested. Investigating officers scoured her two properties and recovered the bloody and splintered sticks she had shoved down her children’s throats, as well as teeth knocked out in the process.
Amongst the squaller in the homes they found unposted letters Victoria had written – but forgotten about – begging neighbours to ‘please be my new mummy’.
She was found guilty of 26 charges, including unlawful wounding, cruelty to a person under 16, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, perverting the course of justice and witness intimidation.
Judge Simon Darwall-Smith, at Bristol Crown Court, told Spry that this was the worst case he had come across in 40 years in law."
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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.
by booker-t ini recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.
i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.
she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.
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"She brought up another question about animals and if Jehovah and Jesus really cares about animals then why do animals kill each other. This seems to contradict what Jesus told his disciples about Jehovah caring for a sparrow when it falls. I watch the nature channel and I literally start getting teary-eyed watching the lions and tigers shred a deer in a matter of minutes. I just have to wonder does Jehovah really care about those animals getting torn to pieces?"
Excellent question. For a 20-page discussion of that, please read this thread from start to finish:
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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To reiterate (in case I sounded a bit harsh or dismissive), the OP's question was this:
'Why does God ,as viewed by theists, allow animals to suffer?'.
The God of theists is personal, present and active. If he cared about animals, then he would not have left them to experience severe pain and painful deaths throughout their already pitifully short lives, regardless of whether you believe in evolution or Gods direct influence on their design throughout all 'creation'.
He either made animals in a way that causes them to suffer and inflict suffering on other creatures that were designed to experience it, or He allowed them to evolve and fight to the death in many horrific and pain-filled ways. He does not care about them and is responsible for unimaginable animal suffering.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Saved Jw..
Revelation 21:4
New International Version
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Even the God you believe in supposedly thinks that suffering is something that needs to be done away with.
I can see where you are going with this, though.
"But DOT, if you don't believe in a God, where do you get the standard for what is evil"?
Well, not only is the question of suffering being evil or not off topic, and not even slightly relevant to why God allows animals to suffer.. but it would also seem to be suggesting that atheists may as well just kill and maim anything they come across as they please, if they can get away with it, as without an external set of morals nobody can decide what is good or bad.
Please feel free to take your philosophies to this thread..
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/175688/1/God-Morals-and-Atheists#.U68Gdl2t-o8
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Also, here's a good quote from a great thread:
Terry posted 6 years ago(5/13/2008)
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"Nothing mysterious about morals.
Morals are the most practical behavior possible.
Morals stem from the fact we cannot succeed for long in society if we harm others or lie to them.
It is disadvantageous in the long run to kill, lie, cheat and otherwise harm your friends, family, social contacts and "shit where you eat."
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There will NEVER be another World Power. The end is near.
by defender of truth in"grace.
san francisco bay area.
posted 22 march 2013 - 08:14 pm.
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“ 'I think the dollar gets hammered. I believe we are headed for hyperinflation.' If Saudi Arabia stopped selling oil only in U.S. dollars, Sinclair says gasoline would be '$10 a gallon very soon, without a doubt.'
Sinclair predicts retirement funds and bank deposits are going to be taken by the government. How much of your money could you lose? Sinclair says, 'In Cyprus, it was a total of 83%. . . . Cypress is the blueprint, and it’s what we are going to experience here in the United States.'
http://usawatchdog.c...ati on-and-more/
Good thing we know from Daniel that this is impossible - otherwise living in America could be really scary. As sure as God's word is true - (The US/ UK) will be the last world power and NO OTHER - we can trust the US will not become some form of Banana Republic."
"I am glad we use a better technique by pointing to the solution FREE - rather than trying to sell or scare others into buying."
"There is Satan's challenge. Trying to prove Jehovah a liar as he has tried for centuries. Shift things in this world to make it look like Jehovah's word will not go fulfilled or that it can't be fulfilled. Is Satan interested in the fact that the last kingdom is a dual world power and that its rulership will be the one standing when Jehovah brings destruction? Absolutely! Is it in his interest to try and break that rulership up (the dual power relationship) and/or bring in another rulership so that Jehovah's word goes unfulfilled or at least it looks like he can't fulfill prophecy?"
"So when it comes to the scene of this world, we are not surprised if world events look like they are steering away from the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. For example, Japan in the '80's looked like they were going to take over - economically - as world power. Yet it wasn't Jehovah's time. Therefore Japan didn't take over. Was there divine intervention involved in this? Who's to know? Over the years it looked like the dual-world power - US and UK - had waned and that it was only the US in control while the UK was one of their allies and not to much more than that. Then 911 happened and BAM!! - there was no doubt as to the relationship of those two: like two peas in a pod."
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/8119-china-to-overtake-america-by-2016/page-6
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"It is always interesting to see Bible prophecy play out, like:
Babylon NEVER inhabited and US/UK LAST world power. Every time someone gets close - like Japan 20 years ago - something happens. Fascinating."
"The Anglo-American dual power has alot of influence in world affairs. They:are located:
1. Wall Street - If the presidant can eject billions of dollars by a phone call and save the world from economic collapse, then they can minipulate world affairs. They did it in 2008.
2. White House - Decisions in the oval office and phone calls to their allies to use propaganda. Propaganda and action that taken by it spreads.
3. Pentagan.
4. NATO - Basically Anglo-American dual power is NATO."
"I believe that China has some muscle and want to be stronger than Anglo-American power. However, their ideas or custums has not spread around the world like the Anglo-American power has and that is why they will have a major influence or be a force when the end comes."
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There will NEVER be another World Power. The end is near.
by defender of truth in"grace.
san francisco bay area.
posted 22 march 2013 - 08:14 pm.
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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:14 PM
There will never be a new world power. The Anglo-American world power is the LAST one that is to exist before this system is destroyed."
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/8119-china-to-overtake-america-by-2016/#
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"Does a dose of speculation and sharing scenarios......prevent us from also preaching to the maximum degree....I mean, we can walk and chew gum at the same time, can't we...."
"I remember at last year's DC that is was specifically stated that we ARE NOT waiting for another WORLD power to emerge. It was said the the Anglo-American power is the 8th and FINAL King."
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/8119-china-to-overtake-america-by-2016/page-2
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"Great article about the "reserve currency " and why the $US as the reserve isn't and really can NOT go away - in the foreseeable future.
http://armstrongecon...serve -currency/
Edit - aside from the Biblical reason of - if it did the US would collapse and no longer be the World Power it is and Daniel 2 would prove untrue (which as we know can't happen either)."
"So this dual power status is still there. It may have gone to sleep for awhile through the decades, but it is alive, well and kicking. When this system ends, no one will be able to say that the 7th world power wasn't a dual world power but a single world power."
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/8119-china-to-overtake-america-by-2016/page-5